Comments on: Getting to Know WebKit http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit Tech News, Reviews and Guides Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:48:47 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: David Bovill http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-167669 David Bovill Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:33:27 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-167669 How does WebKit work with something like the Nightly Build download, or other applications that use it - for instance a programming language I uses - do they all use the systems framework, or do some use local versions of the framework? How does WebKit work with something like the Nightly Build download, or other applications that use it – for instance a programming language I uses – do they all use the systems framework, or do some use local versions of the framework?

]]> By: Blake Perdue http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-155974 Blake Perdue Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:54:22 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-155974 Dude, the fact that you can go 19 days without rebooting is a testament to MacOS. I can't go more than a few days with my XP system. I've got to get a MacBook Pro, I just need to find $2,500 that isn't going towards feeding or sheltering me. Dude, the fact that you can go 19 days without rebooting is a testament to MacOS. I can’t go more than a few days with my XP system. I’ve got to get a MacBook Pro, I just need to find $2,500 that isn’t going towards feeding or sheltering me.

]]> By: c. wess daniels http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-123222 c. wess daniels Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:10:52 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-123222 Paul, I too made the switch to webkit. I use safari anyways, and webkit just makes it better, no I can use all my google stuff without having to open camino or flock. Very nice. As far as delicious integration with safari/webkit - no problem. I've got http://codesorcery.net/pukka tied to shortcut apple-1 and delicious homepage tied to apple-2 doesn't get any faster than that. I got tired of sitting around waiting for the java to load the delicious bookmarks in firefox. Pukka is the perfect webkit companion and yes it's worth the $5. Paul, I too made the switch to webkit. I use safari anyways, and webkit just makes it better, no I can use all my google stuff without having to open camino or flock. Very nice.

As far as delicious integration with safari/webkit – no problem. I’ve got http://codesorcery.net/pukka tied to shortcut apple-1 and delicious homepage tied to apple-2 doesn’t get any faster than that. I got tired of sitting around waiting for the java to load the delicious bookmarks in firefox.

Pukka is the perfect webkit companion and yes it’s worth the $5.

]]> By: Jevgenijs Cernihovics http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-123124 Jevgenijs Cernihovics Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:03:00 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-123124 Thank you, Paul. Nice post. I only have to add that there is no necessity of adding spell check. System wide spell check based on Aspell, like Cocoaspell does the job. Thank you, Paul. Nice post. I only have to add that there is no necessity of adding spell check. System wide spell check based on Aspell, like Cocoaspell does the job.

]]> By: Adam Wilcox's WilcosWorld » Blog Archive » Camino http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122954 Adam Wilcox's WilcosWorld » Blog Archive » Camino Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:10:20 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122954 [...] as I would like it to be, but then Firefox needs a few extensions to make it truly lovable. Recent speed tests, have proved that if I want a really fast browser on the Mac, then I am really using the wrong [...] [...] as I would like it to be, but then Firefox needs a few extensions to make it truly lovable. Recent speed tests, have proved that if I want a really fast browser on the Mac, then I am really using the wrong [...]

]]> By: WebRevolutionary — Getting to know WebKit http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122785 WebRevolutionary — Getting to know WebKit Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:37:56 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122785 [...] I’ve recently stumbled upon a great post by Paul Stamatiou, which reinforced my love for Safari/WebKit. Check out Getting to know WebKit. [...] [...] I’ve recently stumbled upon a great post by Paul Stamatiou, which reinforced my love for Safari/WebKit. Check out Getting to know WebKit. [...]

]]> By: Ted http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122752 Ted Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:16:58 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122752 Paul, just to clarify something. Webkit is only the HTML/CSS/JS rendering engine. When using the nightlies of Webkit, you are still using Safari. Webkit just attaches itself to Safari (in a manner of speaking), and replaces the Webkit rendering engine. That said, the next verison of Safari (Leopard) that will use the updated Webkit engine is going to be a huge boon for CSS developers hoping someone (anyone!) would push forward with CSS3 adoption. I met with a few of the Webkit developers last year at WWDC, and I'm extremely confident that Webkit/Leopard is going to really shake up the browser field. Paul, just to clarify something. Webkit is only the HTML/CSS/JS rendering engine. When using the nightlies of Webkit, you are still using Safari. Webkit just attaches itself to Safari (in a manner of speaking), and replaces the Webkit rendering engine.

That said, the next verison of Safari (Leopard) that will use the updated Webkit engine is going to be a huge boon for CSS developers hoping someone (anyone!) would push forward with CSS3 adoption.

I met with a few of the Webkit developers last year at WWDC, and I’m extremely confident that Webkit/Leopard is going to really shake up the browser field.

]]> By: links for 2007-04-10 at Wired Gecko http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122498 links for 2007-04-10 at Wired Gecko Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:24:57 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122498 [...] Getting to Know WebKit - PaulStamatiou.com One day I’ll sit down and figure out how WebKit fits in with Safari and give it a try (tags: webkit safari browser development osx) [...] [...] Getting to Know WebKit – PaulStamatiou.com One day I’ll sit down and figure out how WebKit fits in with Safari and give it a try (tags: webkit safari browser development osx) [...]

]]> By: Bo Link http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122491 Bo Link Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:27:24 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122491 I don't know how well this will work for WebKit.app, but I've been able to change the supported Safari versions for different plugins (primarily PithHelmet) in the past by using the "Show Package Contents" function on the respective bundle. Inside each plugin package is an info.plist file that you will need to open in you favorite text editor. Look for a line that mentions something about "SupportedSafariBuild", or something similar. This entry has a value that you can modify to force the plugin to support a higher version of Safari. Right now, before any modifications, my Saft plugin supports Safari version 419.3. Be warned, I don't know how stable this method is, but I never had too many problems using it to force PithHelmet to support updated versions of NetNewsWire. Also, this may not work at all. YMMV. I don’t know how well this will work for WebKit.app, but I’ve been able to change the supported Safari versions for different plugins (primarily PithHelmet) in the past by using the “Show Package Contents” function on the respective bundle. Inside each plugin package is an info.plist file that you will need to open in you favorite text editor. Look for a line that mentions something about “SupportedSafariBuild”, or something similar. This entry has a value that you can modify to force the plugin to support a higher version of Safari. Right now, before any modifications, my Saft plugin supports Safari version 419.3.

Be warned, I don’t know how stable this method is, but I never had too many problems using it to force PithHelmet to support updated versions of NetNewsWire. Also, this may not work at all. YMMV.

]]> By: Jason http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122489 Jason Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:22:02 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122489 Awesome, looks like I'll be giving this a try. Awesome, looks like I’ll be giving this a try.

]]> By: links for 2007-04-09 « kobak del.icio.us könyvjelzÅ‘i http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122452 links for 2007-04-09 « kobak del.icio.us könyvjelzÅ‘i Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:11:26 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122452 [...] Getting to Know WebKit - PaulStamatiou.com (tags: webkit osx browser development safari software web mac) [...] [...] Getting to Know WebKit – PaulStamatiou.com (tags: webkit osx browser development safari software web mac) [...]

]]> By: Paul Stamatiou http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122445 Paul Stamatiou Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:12:29 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122445 Thanks for clearing everything up Mark! Thanks for clearing everything up Mark!

]]> By: Mark Rowe http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122436 Mark Rowe Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:53:27 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122436 Paul, it's worth clarifying that WebKit and Safari are very different things. In many parts of your post you conflate the two. WebKit is an HTML rendering engine. Safari is a web browser that uses WebKit to display web pages. The WebKit.app application you download from http://nightly.webkit.org/ contains an updated version of WebKit and *not* Safari. It makes use of the version of Safari that you have installed on your system. Every single one of the "WebKit" improvements you would like to see are in the domain of the Safari application. Extensions are not explicitly disabled with nightly builds. You may receive warning dialogs asking you to disable them before filing bug reports and some extensions will disable themselves when they notice that they are being run against a newer version of WebKit than the developer has tested with. This is highly desirable as many extensions hook into undocumented and unsupported parts of WebKit/WebCore which means that there is a very real likelihood their use will result in crashes with the nightly builds. Other extensions such as Inquisitor are almost entirely at the Safari application level, in which case changes to WebKit are not particularly important from their point of view. Paul, it’s worth clarifying that WebKit and Safari are very different things. In many parts of your post you conflate the two. WebKit is an HTML rendering engine. Safari is a web browser that uses WebKit to display web pages. The WebKit.app application you download from http://nightly.webkit.org/ contains an updated version of WebKit and *not* Safari. It makes use of the version of Safari that you have installed on your system. Every single one of the “WebKit” improvements you would like to see are in the domain of the Safari application.

Extensions are not explicitly disabled with nightly builds. You may receive warning dialogs asking you to disable them before filing bug reports and some extensions will disable themselves when they notice that they are being run against a newer version of WebKit than the developer has tested with. This is highly desirable as many extensions hook into undocumented and unsupported parts of WebKit/WebCore which means that there is a very real likelihood their use will result in crashes with the nightly builds. Other extensions such as Inquisitor are almost entirely at the Safari application level, in which case changes to WebKit are not particularly important from their point of view.

]]> By: Phil Bowell http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122425 Phil Bowell Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:46:36 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122425 Intrigued I went to try Webkit but it wont even launch. I'm sure I have deleted all my extensions, bar SafariPlus which I can't see how to delete. Any hints on how to get Webkit to load? Intrigued I went to try Webkit but it wont even launch. I’m sure I have deleted all my extensions, bar SafariPlus which I can’t see how to delete. Any hints on how to get Webkit to load?

]]> By: andre nosalsky http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122392 andre nosalsky Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:35:42 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122392 Now if only it worked on Windowz. I'm really hoping that Firefox 3 fixes the memory issue, because now I have to restart FF every two days or so. Now if only it worked on Windowz. I’m really hoping that Firefox 3 fixes the memory issue, because now I have to restart FF every two days or so.

]]> By: Richard Crowley http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122377 Richard Crowley Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:51:22 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122377 Its all about the del.icio.us extension and Firebug. I need those like drugs, so Firefox it is. Its all about the del.icio.us extension and Firebug. I need those like drugs, so Firefox it is.

]]> By: Paul Stamatiou http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122376 Paul Stamatiou Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:38:11 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122376 @Shawn, I've read that article about Adobe programs too. Personally I can't notice the difference but I don't really do intensive things in Photoshop/InDesign. Also, I bet it will go away once CS3 comes around. @Shawn, I’ve read that article about Adobe programs too. Personally I can’t notice the difference but I don’t really do intensive things in Photoshop/InDesign. Also, I bet it will go away once CS3 comes around.

]]> By: Shawn Blanc http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122375 Shawn Blanc Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:24:34 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122375 You know how you'll hear a new word for the first time and then all of a sudden you hear it 10 times in the next two days? It's like that with WebKit. I just read that Macintalk article also, and then downloaded WebKit, and now your article. I'm interested to see how it compares to safari. My main issue for using a browser is speed and reliability. I did read an article a while ago talking about how much Safari slows down your computer when using Adobe programs, but FireFox doesn't. You know how you’ll hear a new word for the first time and then all of a sudden you hear it 10 times in the next two days? It’s like that with WebKit. I just read that Macintalk article also, and then downloaded WebKit, and now your article. I’m interested to see how it compares to safari. My main issue for using a browser is speed and reliability.

I did read an article a while ago talking about how much Safari slows down your computer when using Adobe programs, but FireFox doesn’t.

]]> By: Paul Stamatiou http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122370 Paul Stamatiou Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:18:10 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122370 @Mackie - Sorry for the confusion, by last January I meant January 2006. http://webkit.org/blog/?p=41 @Mackie – Sorry for the confusion, by last January I meant January 2006. http://webkit.org/blog/?p=41

]]> By: Mackie http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122365 Mackie Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:08:59 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122365 Thanks for the link, Paul. The DOM inspector has been around for much longer than last January, though — as you can see <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/mackie/114721733/" rel="nofollow">here</a> (screenshot from a nightly build from ~March 2006). It's very useful indeed for designing with CSS. Thanks for the link, Paul. The DOM inspector has been around for much longer than last January, though — as you can see here (screenshot from a nightly build from ~March 2006). It’s very useful indeed for designing with CSS.

]]> By: Chris http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122352 Chris Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:58:21 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122352 I just made the switch from Safari/OmniWeb to Firefox over the weekend. The two add-ons that finally made me switch are the del.icio.us bookmarks integration and FireGPG, especially the latter which allowed me to mostly ditch Mail.app/PGP Desktop for Gmail. I do miss the InquisitorX search plugin on Safari and OmniWeb's general speed, but Firefox seems better supported across the web and AdBlock is a lot more reliable than PithHelmet at blocking adds without breaking website functionality. I just made the switch from Safari/OmniWeb to Firefox over the weekend. The two add-ons that finally made me switch are the del.icio.us bookmarks integration and FireGPG, especially the latter which allowed me to mostly ditch Mail.app/PGP Desktop for Gmail. I do miss the InquisitorX search plugin on Safari and OmniWeb’s general speed, but Firefox seems better supported across the web and AdBlock is a lot more reliable than PithHelmet at blocking adds without breaking website functionality.

]]> By: Andreas http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122329 Andreas Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:30:23 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122329 I actually just switched to Firefox a couple months ago, after having used Safari since it's debut. For me, it was the fact that Firefox was faster than Safari, and it rendered pages more correct, overall. The reason for the speed increase is probably because I have an ancient Mac, and I haven't done a clean install in a good while. I could never go back now however. Too dependent on all the add-ons :) I actually just switched to Firefox a couple months ago, after having used Safari since it’s debut. For me, it was the fact that Firefox was faster than Safari, and it rendered pages more correct, overall. The reason for the speed increase is probably because I have an ancient Mac, and I haven’t done a clean install in a good while.

I could never go back now however. Too dependent on all the add-ons :)

]]> By: Paul D http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122301 Paul D Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:42:52 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122301 Do you have any idea why the full Cocoa text features, like spelling suggestions, don't work in Webkit? They used to a few months back. Do you have any idea why the full Cocoa text features, like spelling suggestions, don’t work in Webkit? They used to a few months back.

]]> By: Chris http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122297 Chris Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:20:23 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122297 As far as plugins go, do not forget PicLens -- great image-veiwing utility. Works great with WebKit too. As far as plugins go, do not forget PicLens — great image-veiwing utility. Works great with WebKit too.

]]> By: Matt http://paulstamatiou.com/getting-to-know-webkit#comment-122293 Matt Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:48:44 +0000 http://paulstamatiou.com/2007/04/08/getting-to-know-webkit/#comment-122293 Excellent post, really reinforces my decision to move from Firefox to Safari/Webkit. I've had a look at the nightly builds before, but until now haven't tried it out. Excellent post, really reinforces my decision to move from Firefox to Safari/Webkit. I’ve had a look at the nightly builds before, but until now haven’t tried it out.

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