Why Microsoft’s Windows Live Messenger Won’t Succeed
On the way to class yesterday, I noticed a few tents setup on one of the busier walkways in the middle of Georgia Tech campus. It was none other than the TechKnowOverload tour, featuring several companies trying to reach college students, including Microsoft, Nvidia and Asus. After class I dropped by the Microsoft tent where they had several laptops setup to try to woo students onto the new Windows Live Messenger beta instant messenging client. That’s when it went downhill.
With most students huddling around the iPod accessories tent, I ended up being one of the first students to actually go inside the barren Microsoft tent. I was immediately barraged by a Microsoft lady who started off the conversation asking me what it would take to get me to switch to their IM client and service. Right then, I knew it was on. I let her fire up the application on the laptop and show me some of the features before informing her and her little team that I wasn’t their average college student.
Right off the bat, I asked how to remove the ads. Her response was that Windows Live Messenger was an advertisement sponsored service and that removing them wouldn’t be possible, similar to AIM she said. I posed an alternative question regarding if the protocol was open so that an application like Gaim would be able to connect to it, and therefore bypass the ads as well. Nope, it’s closed. She then tried to convince me that the ads are “cool” and they aren’t just pictures and they can actually show movie clips or trailers with sound. Yeah, that’s the last thing I want.
As I continued the interrogation, I asked if it was open source and included a detailed API to allow a community to create useful plugins and extend the feature set. She said no really fast, adding that they have done their best to include new features so that plugins and extras wouldn’t be necessary. Apparently the profile page is “advanced” and can show the latest feed from your favorite website (I had mentioned a plugin for Adium with this same effect, so she brought it up) or song playing. However, I had referred to songs playing in iTunes, which this messenger cannot do (apparently it can, thanks to the comments).
Saving my best question for last, I let her continue to babble. She mentioned how it had some simple little VoIP features and how that can be extended so you can make global calls using MCI’s Web Calling service. Um, Skype anyone? After I shot her down once again, she mentioned how the user interface is completely customizable so you can change the buddy list color and have pictures behind your messaging window. Most IM clients do that and more already. Taking Adium for example, it is possible to change even the message style. I also noticed how horrible the messaging window’s UI was. It was just a huge window with even bigger buddy icons/avatars. I like my windows small and tabbed, thank you very much.
One thing she kept bringing up was how there is something called Sharing Folders, which sounds like a peer to peer form of filesharing the way she put it. This reminds me of that Samsung cell phone on Sprint’s Ambassador plan I reviewed a while ago, that attempts to be a media center as well as a cell phone. Why would I use an IM client for peer to peer filesharing? The simple send file is fine for me, even for large files. On the campus network, sending a file to a friend via AIM goes at a rate of 8-10MB/sec. If I need to distribute among many people, I can make a torrent or put it on my box.net account. The sharing folders concept seems to come from the stance that you will have a synchronized folder between contacts for things like photos (flickr?) and documents (gmail/IM simple file send/box.net/xdrive/bittorrent/newsgroups?). Oh and did I forget, everyone uses AIM (the protocol not the client, ie Gaim, Adium, iChat). Getting those 53 million active users, or even just a portion, to switch to Windows Live Messenger would be a monumental task. One huge barrier for getting all those people to switch over is that they have to create a PassPort account and get a hotmail email account. I don’t want all of that extra junk. If Microsoft just made its messenger email independent, as in I can sign in with a gmail or yahoo account instead of a hotmail email address, this would simplify the process greatly.
At this point, the Microsoft lady was starting to get on my nerves and seeing as how I was hungry, I decided to end this skirmish quickly. “So does this run on OS X?” I asked her. She replied “Yes, it runs on Windows XP.” Thinking she misheard my question as asking what operating system it runs on, I asked again. She replied, “Oh you mean does it run on Apple Mac.” I took a few seconds to myself to cool down so I wouldn’t say anything I would regret. Before I could reply, she said that Mac users aren’t a big concern to them just yet as there are many more Windows users at the moment (although, the number of switchers has increased dramatically recently as Vista woes have spread). The only way I would even consider using Windows Live Messenger would be if it ran on my favorite OS and all my friends used the service as well. Being the major I am however, most of my friends run Linux. We all know that Microsoft will never release a version of their IM client for an alternate OS and since the protocol isn’t open to development, we won’t be seeing a new version of Gaim with Windows Live Messenger support.
Take a look at Google Talk. Their client only runs on Windows but the Jabber protocol allows anyone with a supporting IM client to run it. Now with Google Talk integrated into Gmail, anyone can use the service on any computer with any OS. This is why I think Google Talk is at least partially successful. From the Gmail invite craze of 2004, everyone has a gmail account, if not a farm of gmail accounts. The Google Talk client is unobtrusive, small and bears no advertisements. The protocol allows for you to utilize your favorite instant messaging client, customizing the interface as it fancies you. Google Talk doesn’t promise more than it can handle. I can even talk to people that never use AIM on Google Talk, when they go to check their email.
If you think you can substantiate an argument on why Windows Live Messenger beta is better than the current standard, AIM, and the whole community surrounding it, I will give you an invite to Windows Live Messenger beta pronto. Although, I think the beta is open now so anyone can get an invite.
As for the rest of the TKO tour, the other tents were nice. I got a nice waterbottle for being the fastest kid out of a huddle of 30 to whip out their iPod.
Oh yeah also wanted to add…the reason I believe I still feel MSN live and kciking is because it has some fairly stringent security measures in place. Unlike AIM you dont hear of MSN viruses. Although I do agree this model is likely to stagnate as people learn to protect themselves online, it is still an important factor and may continue to keep a loyal fanbase for years to come.
Yes but you see yahoo and msn are combining to make windows live shitenger. This means even though yahoo and msn had open proticols that soon we might loose all our friends on those networks if we don’t get this new POS
Hi, well much as I agree messenger is a flaming pile of garbage it is boringly simple, and so I use it, I’m not a typical idiot and thats not the reason I use it. The point is if it’s dropped in front of every other person I knows nose theyll sign up and use it, and whilst I’m sure there are better clients out there I don’t use them because the people I want to talk to don’t so me on my own is a totally pointless IM client, alternatively i could go on a one man crusade to convert everyone I know but then I’d end up talking them through it and seeing as most people I know dont know what the control panel is I’m not going to try it.
Another point I wouldn’t mind bringing up is the sharing folders. Ive used them and they are actually quite useful. Just the same as sending a file through a p2p IM client but with a glossy UI over it. The thing that attracted me was it automatically resumes when the connection randomly dies so you dont need to try and re-send.
Its a pointless debate really seeing as I was looking for how to make msn live or 7.5 (I dont care which) to work with vista RC1 for some reason mine just doesnt connection error 81000306 as always microsofts help wanted to know if my internet worked and if I had a firewall, Cheers Msoft real useful, you think I could view the help page if my internet didn’t work??
Anyways my rants over - J
Well what can I say it SUX and advisment.. lol got rid of it qucli it sucked a LOT!I want old MSN back or It will be GAIN for eva :P
Old msn shuld BE avalable! for use ..
MS plzz stop bitshing…
Clarification on the “Passport” comments above and Windows Live Messenger (as opposed to the previous versions).
I was in the process of setting up a new employee on Windows Live Messenger (Account Setup), and the ONLY option is to choose from the drop down is hotmail - why a drop down if there is no choice???
There is no reference to the Passport feature - wondering if that is pashing out with Windows Live version?
Does anyone know how to sign up for an Windows Live Messenger account without first setting up a Hotmail account?
Thanks!
I still use msn messenger 7.5, it runs faster than 8.0 and it does all the same things. Most of my friends are still using it.
I think Windows Live messenger is very bad so I think the best in the world is Skype everyone try it it is the best!
not windows live messenger hmmm how many of windows OS does it support now ?it now only supports XP home and newer.how fast bill gates forgets what got him to where he is today (hmmm)the people that forked out hard earned money for ther OS can now garbage them.Dig into your pockets again and buy XP OS but wait is it not obsotete.Vista is comming meaning soon to garbage XP because bill gates will no longer support it as well.(stop see another gates rip-off comming)non supportive OS systems in the trash at our expence. no problem another headach for ther customers.Bill Gates backtrack and suport your operating systems be a man keep your word and give full suport like you promised.for a starter make windows live work on all your OS systems give us what we payed for.
I think MLM still use same protocol as windows messenger/MSN messenger, so if you don’t want to see ads or prefer a simple interface, just use ol’ windows messenger instead…… i never bothered to upgrade, windows messenger just works fine for me.
Another thing, even saying everyone in US use AIM is a false statement, most the people i know and all my coworkers use windows messenger. In fact, only people i know use AIM are some ebay geeks and since i refuse to install AIM client, whenever I need AIM to communite with somebody, I just use the web client……
WLM is huge outside of the US. Here in England, WLM/MSN is the defacto IM service/client. AIM is virtually unheard of. In fact, I’m pretty sure AIM isn’t used much anywhere outside the US. I’d guess that WLM (or Y!) actually is #1 worldwide by quite a margin.
That doesn’t mean WLM is the best client, only that MS isn’t as ‘lost’ as you’re post would imply ;) I only use it cos everyone else does.
Good one Paul. Good one Thanasi. Greeks know, man…
ummm…I am using windows live messenger…yes i know it sux but here in singapore every1 uses it. i love itunes but when i play sings y doesnt windows live display the song?
i mean when i play the songs y doesnt windows live messenger show the song information as a personal message?
Interesting debate - however I have tried some open source products and they cant seem to reproduce evertything that I now take for granted in my Live messenger/Live messenger plus package
I want something that will run on windows cos thats the platform I have and I cant be arsed to fiddle around with linux and the like.
I want to be able to talk to people on msn and yahoo - I can
I want to be able to cam to cam - I can
I want to be able to use the same client for voice chat - I can
I want to be able to add fun things like smilies, winks emoticon sounds etc - I can but wish I could find more free ones without adware etc - also wish there was an editor included to design my own.
and sometimes I just want basic text chat - I can
on my wish list is the ability to search for other users in some directory to find people of similar interests to chat with and the ability to bolt things like skype into the same interface. I am not a believer in finding alternatives but rather to pressure for additions to existing products
Arrogance is arrogance. We all are irritated with Microsoft’s arrogance, but they have actually created products that have changed the way people live and work-scoreboard. Granted it has been a while since they have offered techtonic changes, but those kind of advances are few and far between. You on the other hand just have the arrogance. You are right. Microsoft is playing catch up on a number of areas. But your arrogance is just as ugly.
well i have to say, windows live is the biggest im client in the united kingdom. when mixed with messenger plus live! its amazing. everyone uses windows live/msn in the uk, not aim. this is because of huge advertising and every1 got it. wlm is good, i hav no complaints
my msn won’t sighn in itis the first time it’s happened its rwally annoning i got to go on web messenger what shall i do
well i do like msn live but you cant paste any messages into your personal message like if i wanted weird writing i would go on to weirdmaker type my text in it would appear how i want it and i go to put it into my message box and it won’t let me paste and it does ma heading!
thank you
Well I like your way of giving microsoft a foot up the arse. I mean how can they not make it multi-os programs. The only reason i dont have a Mac is I am a cheapo. And i am too stupid to get linux and learn how to use it. But i am saving for a macbook. I used trillian but as i stated before i was too dumb to realise how to use it. SO i reverted to MSN because it is the only one i know how to use. Can anyone like describe the interface of linux to me? i never quite understood what it looked like.
I never heard of anyone using AIM, GAIM, or whatever. Everyone I know uses MSN or WLM, maybe, since I live in Canada.
So it’s safe to say this article is nothing but a piece of worthless 2 cent junk to me.
Good Day,
Lolz.
I live in Mexico and nobody knows what AIM, Linux or Mac is.
And we are USA neighbors. Now, imagine the rest of Latin America.
So yeah, WLM may be garbage, but everyone’s going to use it still.
Hey. Neat arguments. I completly agree with u. but i did wanna point out that u can infact use a aol or gmail or yahoo email account to access Windows live messenger. For example. i use my own email server with Windows live messenger. (buddg@buddg.com)but i prefer gaim as well. WLM has to many jingles for me.
As if it wont survive - there will always be critics, small minded, uni student soapboxes who claim they can see the future… reality is, you’re just a small minded uni student who likes to soapbox.
To cite that not being supported on mac is a reason to justify a position of of WLM not surviving is ludicrous…. who gives a shit about mac users? 5 - 10 %? after how many years? If anything the last year has shown the port to Intel hardware, the inclusion of parallels and the like has shown that 5-10% player has been forced to suck it up and give in to how the rest of the world operates.
To cite AIM as being the best and leader - America online…. i thought that isp was just for noob/retards? Perhaps your comments where meant only for American readers though…
Some research from when you posted this:
London, April 10, 2006 – comScore Networks, the leader in digital media measurement, today released the results of an analysis of instant messenger (IM) usage in various parts of the world. According to the study, eighty-two million people, or 49 percent of the European online population, used IM applications to communicate online in February. In comparison, sixty-nine million people in North America, or only 37 percent of the online population, used IM during the same time frame. Interestingly, the analysis showed that IM is most heavily used in the Latin American region, with 64 percent of the online population using IM in February.
The MSN Messenger application has the strongest penetration worldwide, with 61 percent of worldwide IM users utilizing the application in February. MSN Messenger is also dominant in Latin America, reaching more than 90 percent of IM users, and in Europe and Asia Pacific, reaching more than 70 percent of IM users in each region. North America is the most competitive IM market, with MSN Messenger, AOL/Aim and Yahoo! Messenger each garnering between 27 percent and 37 percent of IM users in February.
Additional IM programs are gaining ground, especially outside of North America. Skype is now used by 14 percent of IM users worldwide, although this application is used by only 3 percent of the online population in North America. Skype appears most popular in Asia Pacific, reaching 26 percent of the region’s IM user population.
To say that the “Microsoft tent is bare” is just pure idiotic!
Windows Live Messenger is now the best IM software avalible. AIM just can’t compete. Trillian is just rubbish. It’s for the IRC geek who clearly sits at the computer soo much they need all the messengers in one… WHY? I bet you feel so silly now doing this page. You know now that you were wrong!
Microsoft Vista - Windows Live Messenger all the way!
(i bet you all have windows installed… hipacrits!)
eyou are so wrong man, windows live beste IM client, all other clients are just garbage, cna’t compite with microsoft xD. Open Source? lol
You can just download A-Patch and remove all ads from Windows Live Messenger.
Works for me.
hey im just wondering why windows live messenger is not working right now???
Alrite, listen. I’ve personally never lived in the U.S. but i’ve lived all over Europe and Asia and visited probably 50 countries across 5 continents (south americ’a cummin soon) and the only people in the world who use AIM are Americans in America. When they leave america to live somewhere else, they use both AIM and MSN, you dont have a choice if u wanna chat, nobody else uses AIM. However, since u live in america ur argument is generally still valid as most ppl in the US do use AIM. (oh yeh, n sum1 said most MSN users cum from Canada - u ever lived sumwhere else? i bet it dusnt even cum close. Try England and the rest of Europe.)
But thts not the point. Sum1 may hav sed this b4 but one reason msn works so well is tht, if u’ve been usin it from the beggining, it makes everything so easy. Almost everything u need is connected in one package and worked into windows (obviously no good for macs).
Finaly, most users rilli dont car about all tht “nerdy” or whtevr stuff. thay just wanna chat, so what if there’s ads at the bottom of the client, it’s their program, they have a right to, plus, they need to make money from somewhere (though they do have enuff it wud seem). true, the audio convo is bad quality and the webcams dont streem too well, and you cant easily share large files, but picture n stuff are easily shared. The rest is rilli unnecessary stuff that they put in to try to wow you comp. wiz types. I guess u cud say that their real problem is tht they tried to make it more than just an IM service. If they just stuck with the basics like audio, video, and file sharing, they’d do fine with the majority of the world as that’s all they rilli are lookin for.
I’m gunna shut up now b4 i say sumthin thts gunna fire ppl up all over again.
You guys are serious ‘tards. It will succeed because everyone already patches the ads out of it, just like they did with every other msn program. http://www.apatch.org
Get a clue noobs.
i was searching in the web and came across this, yeah i know kinda late but.. my 2 cents:
Oh and did I forget, everyone uses AIM
(i think i got it, i placed a fake arrow probably messing up the html or watever thing sorry!, if the owner cld delete prvious posts, thanks!)
i was searching in the web and came across this, yeah i know kinda late but.. my 2 cents:
Oh and did I forget, everyone uses AIM
nope on my side of the world everyone uses MSN (unless its the self centered american that you meant by ‘everyone’)
One huge barrier for getting all those people to switch over is that they have to create a PassPort account and get a hotmail email account. I don’t want all of that extra junk. If Microsoft just made its messenger email independent, as in I can sign in with a gmail or yahoo account instead of a hotmail email address, this would simplify the process greatly
erm all of us have been able to use many other emails, even local isp email addresses to use msn messenger, like since ?? versions ago.. which era did you come from??
We all know that Microsoft will never release a version of their IM client for an alternate OS
there is a version of MSN for mac, tho definitly not the latest one, but stil usable. (not sure about linux tho)
think about it, if your bakery shop is selling pies that you baked as bestsellers, would you be bothered about other brands of pies for sale??? NOPE
granted that you are already a apple/imac/ipod whatever crap brainwashed, one cant really expect any objective comments from your ‘review’.
get a life u apple people.. every product has its flaws, just because a wayy smaller group of people use your product does not make it godly.
(i think i get it, i made an arrow and it must hav messed with htmls. if the owner could delete my previous posts, thanks! sorry for the spam once again)
i was searching in the web and came across this, yeah i know kinda late but.. my 2 cents:
Oh and did I forget, everyone uses AIM
nope on my side of the world everyone uses MSN
unless its the self centered american that you meant by ‘everyone’)
One huge barrier for getting all those people to switch over is that they have to create a PassPort account and get a hotmail email account.
erm all of us have been able to use many other emails, even local isp email addresses to use msn messenger, like since ?? versions ago.. which era did you come from??
We all know that Microsoft will never release a version of their IM client for an alternate OS
there is a version of MSN for mac, tho definitly not the latest one, but stil usable. (not sure about linux tho)
think about it, if your bakery shop is selling pies that you baked as bestsellers, would you be bothered about other brands of pies for sale??? NOPE
granted that you are already a apple/imac/ipod whatever crap brainwashed, one cant really expect any objective comments from your ‘review’.
get a life u apple people.. every product has its flaws, just because a wayy smaller group of people use your product does not make it godly.
PS im not PRO-Windows either.. i just use it and i dont go around saying its the best
(i think i get it, i made an arrow and it must hav messed with htmls. if the owner could delete my previous posts, thanks! sorry for the spam once again)
i was searching in the web and came across this, yeah i know kinda late but.. my 2 cents:
Oh and did I forget, everyone uses AIM
nope on my side of the world everyone uses MSN
(unless its the self centered american that you meant by ‘everyone’)
One huge barrier for getting all those people to switch over is that they have to create a PassPort account and get a hotmail email account.
erm all of us have been able to use many other emails, even local isp email addresses to use msn messenger, like since ?? versions ago.. which era did you come from??
We all know that Microsoft will never release a version of their IM client for an alternate OS
there is a version of MSN for mac, tho definitly not the latest one, but stil usable. (not sure about linux tho)
think about it, if your bakery shop is selling pies that you baked as bestsellers, would you be bothered about other brands of pies for sale??? NOPE
granted that you are already a apple/imac/ipod whatever crap brainwashed, one cant really expect any objective comments from your ‘review’.
get a life u apple people.. every product has its flaws, just because a wayy smaller group of people use your product does not make it godly.
PS im not PRO-Windows either.. i just use it and i dont go around saying its the best
I agree with you that Windows Live Messenger sucks.
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Hey, some comments:
1) It’s really weird how AIM is the standard protocol over there. In most of Europe, the “standard” is MSN (sadly).
2) Since MSN 7.0, the UI is way too bloated - wonder how these guys at Microsoft don’t get this. Most users don’t want extra fancy features that will be of little or no use (like those stupid Winks or Shared Folders for example), they just want simple features that improve usability, like _clean_ tabbed chat windows with full timestamping. Windows Live Messenger seems to be constantly introducing new fancy bloat - “so that plugins and extras wouldn’t be necessary” - how ridiculous.
3) The protocol might not be (officially) documented, but it’s dead easy to reverse-engineer, so a small search will probably show you several sites with documentation. aMSN and Kopete already use a protocol version more advanced than the one shared by Gaim (now pidgin) and Adium. Kopete is Linux-only while aMSN is multi-platform. The reason why Gaim isn’t implementing it is not that it’s a closed protocol. From what I’ve heard, the developer who was dealing with the MSN protocol quit the Gaim team (I think he went to work for Microsoft, but I might be wrong on this)
One thing that should be mentioned is that how many people appearing to use any given protocol depends where you are. It is for this reason that I use Adium. If I were to have one instant messenger for every protocol friends are using then I would have five applications open. The downside for solutions such as Adium and Trillian is that they don’t support all the extra gadgets provided by some of the protocols, then again this may for you be an upside ;)
If few extra things:
- If Windows Messenger Live is anything like MSN, on MS-Windows, then you will surely finds hack to remove the adverts.
- On the Mac, Messenger has a Windows Live badge on it. From what I can tell Windows Live is essential Microsoft passport rebadged.
lol that was hillarious!
Thank god u’r one more fighting those techonology-posibilities-reducers and stealers tha call themselves microsoft.
Windows Live Messenger is simply the best IM client out there in my opinion. Each individual obviously feels differently about things I can understand. The reason I use messenger is that almost everyone I know has it. No one I know uses AIM etc. WLM is unobtrusive and focuses on the chatting aspect, which is the entire point of the application. The fact that almost any email address can be used with the service makes it convenient too. They also don’t blast you with ads. One small ad at the bottom of the main window is nothing. It’s definitely my first choice.
Another failed Microsoft product. After Paul Allen, the idea guy left, Microsoft has made some pretty silly moves. Like Games For Windows Live….
Ugh.
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you can remove ads with mess patch and there are extra features with messenger plus (free and not made by MS) and u can write scripts for msn plus.
I have neither a passport nor a hotmail account. I use Live Messenger with my gmail address. And for someone who is willing to split the features of Live messenger between eight other programs, I’m surprised you’d freak out about getting a passport.
As for the banner ad (note the singular), it’s a bit annoying, but nothing to have a heart attack over. It’s at the bottom of the messenger, and give it two days and you won’t even notice it any more.
just like windows * OS.. crash crash crash, unstable, uses too much memory, crash crash crash, restart , crash restart crash. get trillian it does everything.
Ha dude you’re an idiot. The fact that you actually think you’re cool because you “stuck it” to some stupid person that just represents the software instead of someone who wrote it shows you’re just an arrogant prick.
You honestly think Google’s going to win over some chat program? Google has more gmail accounts than hotmail does?
Go take all the time in the world scripting open code for a chat client. Please. Do that so someone can steal your time instead of you babbling your emotional dribble online.
As far as i know the msn service can be acccesed by other clients (adium, trillian, amsn, etc…). On my experience msn is widely used outside the us.
Nice stuff Paul worth reading.. but its not necessary to have a hotmail account to use msn
i personaly use a gmail accound. And ofc not every1 uses AIM for IM
in fact i dont know any1 who uses AIM because me and all my friends uses msn :) oh and u can remove the ads with a patch.
Um …just a point here. You do realise that the MSN (now Windows Live) buddy list is infact able to be accessed by a variety of clients inluding Pidgin - formerly known as GAIM. Not that I’m overly caught up on the old IM’ing fad anyhow.
As to the jab at Vista (it really does boggle the mind how many imbeciles seems to be screaming at it, but anyhow) anyone who is even remotely involved in the graphics-based industries, we really only really have 2 OS’s to choose from - and if some even mentions either GIMP or GMAX I’ll slap them!! - and so long as Steve Jobs and his merry following of iPod clones are shaping Apple, there are many of us who won’t be making that switch any time soon!!
Hi, im taking a guess your american right? because us in canada use WLM. also, theres quite a few programs ton modify WLM to not have adds for example. Just the name a couple, mess patch, stuffplug3 and live plus.
the interface in WLM 9 is da*n ugly too much ads and all that other crap. its just a chat client, i don’t see why people want all those colored nicknames and whatever else. there’s nothing like a clean interface like os x “Microsoft Messenger” with no ads whatsoever.. although i agree that adium is way better, although i don’t use it because i don’t know how to keep chat logs… anyways nice job with the MS rep. and her excuses for ads
The last well-written Microsoft product was Dos 3.3. I rest my case.
Hi dear, I want to chat with windows live messenger by chat group but It is not founding. please send me it.
Just wanted to let you know that although MSN isn’t that popular over there in the USA, it’s the preferred IM in Europe.
:)
I wanted to add my MSN friends to my Trillian app, but it expects a @hotmail.com and on MS website I can only open an account with @live.com
Sounds to me like you just want to make yourself believe it’s not good enough and you’re just being picky.
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Hello,
Nobody in Canada or Europe or South America uses AIM, only MSN Messenger.
I don’t even know what AIM looks like
So I think you are incorrect.
Years later — I’m already used to Windows Live Messenger. Now the older one feels old whenever I use it, but it feels like the same old WLM.
um not supporting Microsoft or nothing but you can sign up for wlm account with a gmail and a yahoo email address i have many of both
i CANNOT make a stinkin windows live messenger caues it says it has a stupid error and thats just retarded cause my twin made one i cant freakin make one…….its soooo retarded!!
i typed in yahoo search why windows live one care sucks ass, and it brought me here. Now im here, i would like to vent about how bad this firewall whatever it is sucks. this thing wastes my dvd discs asking to back up new files everyday and it takes 2hr’s a session to complete microsoft sucks but im not in the market for a new comp or os so what do you guys recommend for a firewall that don’t ask you to back up stuff every day and waste discs?
So i gotta ask, now that Messenger is on version 9, and with over 294 million users, do you feel anything about the fact you were wrong? or is it just chalked up to a failure? I’m wondering because your entire argument doesn’t seem like a teenage fit, but rather though out and well put, it’s actually a pity you were completely off the bat since it could have been a great foresight otherwise.
@anon - they still have a long way to go.. _none_ of my friends or anyone I know of in person, and at school, uses it.
HI, I cant under sttand why my windowlive not show me IBox when i clik then he disapper